ZLuC Olympia 2019

ZLuC Olympia is a one-day unconference (participant-driven conference) conveniently occurring one day after the 5th annual Olympia Zine Fest weekend! Registration is FREE and open to all interested in the intersection of zines and libraries.

Date: Monday, October 28
Location: Olympia Timberland Library, 313 8th Ave SE (corner of 8th and Franklin)

Proposed Schedule
10 am: meet for breakfast/coffee at King Solomon’s Reef, 212 4th Ave E (corner of 4th and Franklin)
11:00 am: reconvene in the Olympia Timberland Library meeting room, introductions
11:30 am: set the schedule for the day
11:45 am: tour of the Olympia Timberland Library zine collection with Aggie!
12:00 pm: first session
1:00 pm: second session
2:00 pm: break/lunch
2:30 pm: third session
3:30 pm: fourth session
4:30 pm: summaries, takeaways, action plans
5:00 pm: unconference ends, consensual hugs/high fives, potential for cocktails or mocktails to follow

Proposed Topics
Please add potential topics here (account required), or email Kelsey at hortensejones@gmail.com with your topic ideas! We will vote on topics on the day of the unconference unless we reach some sort of consensus on specific topics earlier and preparation is required for the topic facilitator.

  • What is a zine? discussion
  • Inclusion in zines
  • Activism with zines
  • Zine archives vs circulating zines: how and why
  • Lightning talks
  • Group Zine Librarian Zine session
  • Science zines (healthcare and hard sciences)
  • ZAPP/SPL talkin’
  • Zine Union Catalog
  • Teaching with zines
  • Zine Fests and Libraries, TLA
  • Zine collections succession planning- when your zine librarian and collection cheerleader moves on
  • Zine swap
  • How-to-Make-Zine workshops
  • Proposal for a zine panel/session from WA zine libraries at WLA 2020 (in Spokane!)
  • Stretching with Bruce, Olympia Timberland Library staff


(please add your name here or email hortensejones@gmail.com to be added!)

  • Kelsey Smith, Lacey Timberland Library
  • Agatha Burstein, Olympia Timberland Library
  • Lisa Oldoski, Pierce County Library System
  • Dawn Stahura, Salem State University
  • Sara Peté, Washington State Library
  • Kate Sellers, Seattle Public Library
  • Abby Bass, Seattle Public Library
  • Cindy Harkness, Seattle Public Library
  • Nicki Sabalu, Spark Central
  • Liza Harrell-Edge, the Evergreen State College
  • Meghan Hall, Lacey Timberland Library
  • Katy Curtis, University of Puget Sound
  • Julia Cartales, UW iSchool

ZLuC 2019 Salt Lake Attendees

Here are the folks that registered for ZLuC 2019 in Salt Lake.

  • Jenna Freedman, Barnard College
  • Lauren Kehoe, ZineCat
  • Matthew Collins, University of San Francisco, Gleeson Library
  • Kristin Alexander, Virginia Museum of Fine Arts Library
  • Deana Brown, Idaho Commission for Libraries
  • Erin Elzi, University of Denver
  • Gwyn Hervochon, Boise State University
  • Milo Miller, QZAP – The Queer Zine Archive Project
  • Lauren Brewer, Greensboro College
  • des alaniz, UC Santa Barbara
  • Paige Sundstrom, University of California, Santa Barbara
  • Donna Baluchi, Eccles Health Sciences Library/Razorcake
  • Jade Alburo, UCLA
  • Gina Murrell, University of San Francisco
  • Rose Rodriguez, Northwest Vista College
  • Stephanie Novak, Salt Lake County Library
  • Marie Paiva, Marriott Library, University of Utah
  • Katie Wegner, Summit County Library
  • Joshua Barton, Michigan State University
  • Erika Church, Marriott Library, University of Utah
  • Cassie Leclair-Marzolf, Salt Lake County Library, Sandy Branch
  • Kelsea Jones, Treasure Valley Community College
  • Claudia Maria Acosta, Travis Fristoe Zine Library at the Civic Media Center in Gainesville, FL/EXILE Books in Miami, FL
  • Tod Robbins, Independent friendly wizard
  • Rebecca Baker, The Salt Lake City Public Library
  • Rachel Getts, The Salt Lake City Public Library
  • Christina Walsh, The Salt Lake City Public Library
  • Becca Lael, Park City Library
  • John Ingersoll, Grantsville City Library
  • Ari Zickau, Boise Public Library
  • Jennifer Eltringham, University of Colorado Colorado Springs
  • Juli Huddleston, Grid Zine Fest
  • Eric
  • Sarah Morton Taggart, Grid Zine Fest
  • Jay Colbert
  • Stephanie Howell, Salt Lake City Public Library
  • Ricky Vigil
  • Hannah Waddel
  • Honor Moody, Harvard Library

Diversity and Inclusion

Saturday July 20

Breakout session 2, 12:15-1:00pm

Session name: Diversity and Inclusion

Facilitator: Matt C.

Note taker: Jennifer E.

  • Introductions
    • Topics that came up: 
      • Representation
      • zines as an educating force to expose young people to other perspectives
      • Curation & starting a zine collection
      • countering elitism/hegemony in art libraries
      • inclusive spaces
      • health disparities
      • shutting up & getting out of the way, using power to lift others up and create inclusive spaces
      • inclusiveness in makerspaces, generous exclusion – Marijel (Maggie) Melo
  • Building Safe Spaces
    • How to create safe spaces without policing people?
    • Responsibility of being an authority figure (in the classroom) – calling a bad action bad if you see it
    • Statement about a safer space, laying out expectations 
    • Code of Conduct – post it at your event, enforce it 
      • De-escalation training, have a point of contact for zine fest tablers to contact if they are in a tough/uncomfortable/violent/unsafe situation 
    • Community agreement – discuss parameters, give people buy-in by creating an agreement together.
    • Refer to Code of Conduct for this conference: http://zinelibraries.info/events/zine-librarian-unconferences/zluc-organizers-toolkit/#conduct
  • Inclusive Spaces
    • Librarian conferences are white spaces (librarianship is an 80% white profession) – conversations about diversity & inclusion are fraught, people often don’t know how to respond 
    • Embracing embarrassment and uncomfortable moments in order to move beyond mistakes
    • Lack of conversation
    • Diversity as a buzzword rather than an action and a practice
    • You will make mistakes, and we will talk about it as part of a community conduct agreement
    • De-escalation training as part of a conference like this, seeking out professional development opportunities
    • Reading circle to learn how to talk about race
    • Bystander intervention, using your voice to preempt violence when you see it 
  • Getting out of the way vs. speaking up
    • Doing the work but not being a white savior
    • Community partnerships
    • Explicit goals in collection development, strategic planning in general
    • Not expecting people from marginalized communities to be the only ones doing the work, while centralizing marginalized voices
    • Racist imagery in old yearbooks – endless meetings, lots of anxiety, no action
    • “Verbal asterisks” when showing historical objects in closed stacks & pointing people to resources
      • Context and information literacy are our jobs too!
      • Presenting without lecturing
    • Getting into leadership in order to make change
      • Again, not expecting PoC & marginalized communities to do the work, but using power 
      • Lip service vs. action


Debrief notes

Saturday July 20

Breakout session 3, 2:30-3:45pm

Session name: Debrief group time! All together now!

Facilitator: Rebecca

Note takers: Jenna, Lauren, & Honor

A ZLuC assessment will go out before too long. 

ZLuC has been going on since 2009

  • Everyone is part of it as much or as little as you want to be. 
  • Please follow up as you like, on the email list or however, all throughout the year. 
  • The community is open and meant to be welcoming. 
  • Hey, you can do this, in this remote community, but also in your own communities. 
  • Shout-out for POC travel grant. 

Loves (Jenna note taker)

  • Thanks organizers: got to see a lot of SLC, got to know it a little and how cool it is, what the zine scene is like x2
  • Thanks organizers helped people find housing, providing home stays, coordinating them
  • First conference where I didn’t actively think about leaving librarianship
  • Awesome mix of people who are experienced and people are new to zine librarianship. Thank you for sharing. 
  • Loved the program zine: space for notes, something to review later, inspiring and fun
  • Had a lot of fun
  • The idea of zine librarianship is relatively new, so excited that it’s something I can do
  • Gratitude, positive experience, glad boss let me come. 
  • Glad to have academic librarians to connect with. 
  • Meeting folks from all over, but also meeting librarians from nearby to where the ZLuC is hosted. Connecting with folks from region of where the unconference is hosted.  Friendship and accountability.
  • “Punk rock nerd camp” looks forward to it every summer, real-time interactions. Shit gets done. 
  • Being part of ZLuC has helped my project evolve as it has. 
  • This community, the connections I’ve made, amazing group of people. Love being part of it. Thank you all! Organizers especially. 
  • Appreciated vegan options at every meal and snack
  • Appreciated the existence of a quiet room, even if I didn’t use it
  • Loved having so many people who are not from SLC, seeing your interest in our city, taking time from your jobs and your lives to come here. (acknowledges preconceptions about Salt Lake City). 
  • My heart is full. 
  • Liked having a facilitator who set an agenda, shared it, etc. 
  • Outreach session was my favorite. 
  • Loved the zine reading and the Q&A with readers afterward, how they feel about having their zines in libraries. Great to have folks who are zine makers but not also zine librarians and zine fest organizers like we are. 
  • Inspirational that zine librarians are so willing to be ourselves, to share ourselves (be multiple selves). “It’s hard to be weird and a competent professional.”
  • Cool to get to know more about zines, and get to know more about unconferences. 
  • Public transit, especially from the airport

Takeaways (Lauren notetaker)

  • What the zine scene is like in SLC and how that can transfer to different communities
  • So many questions answered about zines in libraries and zine librarianship
  • Connecting zine creation with standards in k-12 education to get teachers more engaged in using zines in the classroom
  • Donate a zine to their collection and making copies to distribute
  • Inspired to do zine work in libraries.  Not just workshops, but throughout many aspects of job responsibilities
  • A lot of notes and ideas that are percolating 
  • Possibility of mentorship from people met at ZLuC.  Affinity/Interest group formation.
  • Energized from real time interactions.  Being in the same space together, shit gets done.  
  • Each ZLuC is special and unique, process for planning is iterative and ongoing.  Thinking about what can be coordinated in one’s hometown.
  • Favorite session was outreach and storytelling – how zines are the medium to tell so many different kinds of stories.  Tactile. Visual. Keep, save away, throwaway (recycle). Can be taken anywhere and shared with anyone. The work that we do in libraries, and as zine enthusiasts, we are the best advocates for this community.  
  • Great to connect with zinesters at the zine reading.  Important to not just talk to librarians about perspectives.
  • Experience of attending an unconference – anthropologist.  

Improvements (Honor)

  • Handouts of recommendations for facilitators; guidelines/how to/encouragement to participate
    • This could be a zine! ACTION ITEM!
    • Note takers Identify action items; spend 5 minutes at end of session and identify folks willing to take on action items
    • Establish goals for start of conversation, maybe better use of whiteboards
    • +1 for facilitators toolkit; 
  • Quick recap on first day about this is an unconference, this is what that means/context for owning your experience
  • One library has meeting standards/best practices posted in every room, does a quick check in before each meeting
  • Ice breaker on first day would have been a good way to ease into the conference, meet folks you might not be in sessions with
  • Contacts for attendees: Juli meant to do an attendee list, now she has an ACTION ITEM!
  • For attendee list: it would be helpful if folks could identify their area of interest
  • Housing was expensive; issue with multi-level marketing scheme convention jacking up all the prices–future organizers should be mindful of external events that might eff everything up; maybe the local tourist office could help with this?
  • Never made it to zine making space b/c so much other awesome stuff happening, but if it were more central, maybe they might have
  • Jargon dictionary zine to help bridge conversation between folks with tons of zine experience but less library experience/librarians with not so much zine experience
  • Acronym finder 
  • New articles for zinelibraries.info
    • Is anyone willing to take on this work? wrangling/delegating
  • Make zine at each as part of feedback; action items
  • Next year have program with cut outs for use in creating feedback/takeaways/words advice zine  
  • More consideration/programming for early career folks/students
  • More zine recommendations! Because we like reading things!

ZL(u)C 2020

Facilitator: Jenna

Notes: Honor

Better long term planning: announce two years out if at all possible

Maybe can’t make decisions here, but would like to have a conversation and get things moving

Also mini ZL(u)Cs–we are us, you can declare at will; we can be one or many (we contain multitudes!)

Community has tried to move around to different regions, not having too many in a row on one coast/on region

Violet Fox wants 2020 in Montreal, not clear what the details are, but should be nailed down soon

Discussion points:

Advantage to having organizers who have attended; but this may limit locations/limit to folks able to travel elsewhere

  • Local organizers have always had the option of asking past organizers; but didn’t necessarily realize it; can this be made explicit; 
  • Would be great if a current organizer had formal advisory role;
  • If planning 2 years out; possibly organizer elect; organizer; organizer advisor
    • Juli felt like Violet’s toolkit so awesome that this might be overkill


  • Financial
  • Physical

Location considerations:

  • Extant zine culture?
  • What zine collections are in the city? 
  • Multi-institution vs. single space
    • Bureaucratic issues with larger institutions
    • Grid Zine Fest strongly embedded in community, so able to organize social events in conjunction with SLCP/Marriott Library; for Marriott, longer time line might have helped pushback against some bureaucratic stuff
  • Public transit super important
    • Especially from airport

Can we form a 2020/2021 deciding committee here? 

  • What is time commitment, when is it most intensive
  • Deciding committee process:
    • Criteria for being considered
    • Call for submissions
    • Assess submissions

Deciding committee:

Ari (2 years), Josh (either year), Juli (this year), and Matt (this year)


Archived sessions, Salt Lake

Friday July 19, 2019- J. Willard Marriott Library, University of Utah 

Breakout session 1:

Breakout sessions 2:

Breakout sessions 3:

Saturday July 20, 2019- Salt Lake City Library Main Library

Breakout Session 1:

Breakout session 2:

Breakout Session 3

Debrief– all together

edit-a-thon: zinelibraries.info

Saturday July 20

Breakout session 3, 12:15-1:00pm

Session name: Zinelibraries.info

Facilitator: Honor

Note taker: Jenna


Tags and categories:

General organization; 

Examples of zine collection donation forms; examples of zines as handouts 

Juli is working on acquisition forms:

Something about libraries should buy zines when possible, but forms can help library folks catalog/ process/ etc their zines

  • Creator contact info
  •  How the creator can contact the library (in case of future changes, or requess for take down, etc)

Forms located (confirm with libraries for permission)

Soapbox http://www.phillysoapbox.org/donate/zine-donation/ (author and non-author)

Barnard: https://zines.barnard.edu/zine-donations


Google form to collect feedback; 

Some find the site confusing, seems to be less so when logged in

Questions for Violet:

Are categories pre-planned, or based on tag usage?

Social action

Saturday July 20

Breakout session 2, 11:15-12:00pm

Session name: Social Action

Facilitator: Milo 

Note taker: Juli 

Zines as tools in activist communities

Why? Why Make Zines in Times of Strife (And Calm) http://zinelibraries.info/2017/04/06/why-make-zines/


  • Zines as health literacy to combat bad info in other zines
    • How do we deal with changing information (QZAP example about HIV/AIDS zines that are from the 90s)
  • Where do (institutional) libraries fit in radical social action? 
  • Do libraries need to be politically neutral? Presenting information on the sly, which zines to put into the collection. Do other folks feel the need to do zine stuff in a politically neutral space?
    • Social action can be under the radar, it can be secret. 
    • Information professionals have information– you can direct folks to other resources. To the radical info shop, etc. Find those sources– link them to zine makers if you know them
    • When teaching information literacy, give students the tools to vet out bad information
  • Showing students potentially dangerous materials to help them understand why people make decisions they do
  • Curation as social action– $supporting$ people zine makers who are actively practicing social action
  • Cataloging as social action– reframes how knowledge is structured in the future
    • The act of cataloging zines makes one aware of the problematic nature of Library of Congress Subject Headings
    • Spurs you on to think more about social action
  • Starting a zine libraries is a radical act
    • Having insider knowledge from zine makers to help infor cataloging
  • What to do with hate speech zines? Keeping them for historical purposes, but not glorifying them. Maybe/ probably not in the browsing collection– but is there an archives that would be a good home for that in order the keep for research. 
    • This all depends on your collecting policy.
    • Keeping the perspectives of the other side, which helps illustrate why zine makes are fighting against. Zine makers are counter-culture– they can’t be viewed in isolation. 
    • Revisit and revise your collection development policies! This is not static! <3
      • Check out https://zinelibraries.info/code-of-ethics/
      • Don’t prioritize shitty zines (including if the zine makers are problematic/ abusers/ etc)
      • Come up with a protocol with how to deal with shit
      • Reach out to communities that are affected, and let them guide you from
    • Buy zines from POC zine makers and amplify their voices

zine fest planning

Saturday July 20

Breakout session 1, 10:15- 11:00am

Session name: Zine Fests!

Facilitator: Jenna

Note taker: Juli

First time organizers

Boise Comic Arts Fest August 24-25! 

Curriculum integrated zine fairs

Call to tabling forms


Reaching out beyond people you know

Zine fest fails


Community partnerships

Equity and  justice


Asking for money

Financial transparency

Table fees

Community partnerships

Accessibility and equity and justice

Call to tabling forms

Outreach and promotion


  1. Workshops during tabling time doesn’t work for lots of tablers
    1. Solution: table swingers– volunteers to cover table shifts
    2. Solution: Separate day
    3. Keep in mind: it makes it more accessible for folks who can’t spend money
  1. Taking on too many responsibilities (afterparties, not enough organizers)
    1. Solution: Afterparties- let someone zine adjacent plan the party and host, no one is required to go.
    2. Solution: not an after party, but hosting vegan brunch
  1. Volunteers: 
    1. Solution: special tee-shirt just for them 
    2. Solutions: Make explanations clear, explain before things get hectic

Tabling form, outreach, and promotion:

  1. How to specify what kind of materials you want there
    1. 75% rule (or whatever percentage– some use 50%)
      1. Do you police this?! 
        1. How to not seem like the gatekeeper
        2. Clear about intention, explain that non-zines are taking the space of someone else’s space 
          1. Suggest other locations for tabling
      2. People get nervous about whether or not they qualify
        1. Titles and prizes
        2. Links (?)
        3. It is okay to only have one zine!
    2. Checklist on material types, so tablers understand what is a zine
      1. Let zine makers self-identify
      2. Zine fest is not the same as ComicCons

Accessibility, equity, justice:

  1. How to make the audience more diverse
    1. What is the connection with community partnerships
  2. MKE Zine Fest scholarship
    1. Wasn’t successful the first year (no one applied)
    2. Tried again, with more success
    3. Push outside zine/punk/alt communities– school, church, work, etc to reach a new audience
  3. Check outreach notes from yesterday’s sessions
  4. If you have a code of conduct make sure you have de-escalation skills
    1. Designate and person to be “security” 
    2. Take a deescalation workshop/ webinar
    3. Book recommendation, “Make Spaces Safer” AK Press, Shawna Potter
  5. Kid friendly flags
  6. Free tables for folks that can’t afford it

Money/ Fundraising:

  1. Ask for what they want. If you have an institution, ask for a budget
    1. Don’t be afraid to ask for donations
  2. Are other zine fests posting their finances on their websites?
    1. Should zine fests be more transparent
    2. Would it help other zine fests?
  3. Table fees: Usually covers the entire
  4. “The Art of Asking,” Amanda Palmer

Call for tabling forms: send them to juliahuddleston (at) gmail.com, and she’ll post them to zinelibraries? 

Programming with Adults

 Saturday July 20

Breakout session 1, 10:15- 11:00am

Session name: Programming, incl. exhibits, programming with people with limited English skills – without teens

Facilitator: Matthew

Note taker: Lauren

Introductions and why are we here?

Programming — Ideas, Ideas, Ideas

  • Working with ESL patrons.  Bringing in content written in other languages
  • Working with refugees
  • Language barriers, variety of languages
  • Finding zines in different languages.  
  • Representing different voices and perspectives
  • Area studies librarians at some schools are 

Round of sharing good programming ideas

  • Workshops each semester, open to all.  Small crowd attendance. https://guides.usfca.edu/zines/events 
  • Location of workshops → away from zine collection into the lobby
  • Mini zines, binding workshop.  Simple pamphlet stitch. Halfway there.
  • Collaborative zine.  Not a lot of contributions the day of, but over time collected content. Then used for outreach.
  • Social Justice heroes on campus.  Get students to create zines about them.  Templated pieces: interview, pasting, collaboration, librarians fill in as needed. 
  • How is program promoted, “sold,” to potential participants.  → All about bringing awareness to zine collection, with a goal to start a club with students or patrons to take leadership for the zine collection.  Work with professors for instruction (rather than programming).  
  • Tabling, fairs.  “De-stress week” and “consent fair.”  
  • Collaborative zine → can be made over time, i.e. combining contributions to the zine from different events and make a yearly zine or a zine for the semester.
  • Collaboration with external partners, i.e. youth tribe or girls rock camp, etc.  Intro to zines, then whatever you put on the page is your zine. Librarians collated contributions to the zine and then gave to the group at the end of the week.
  • Turnout can be low with college students.  Hold events off campus to be more inclusive, but there’s a lot of components
  • What kind of thematic content are events coordinated around?  Meaning could be just getting people together to let them know that the collection is available.  
  • What kind of supplies are used?
    • Typewriter
    • Gluesticks
    • Markers, pens
    • Book sale poaching or recycling bin salvaging
    • 8×10 paper
  • Do programs provide supplies?  One page with name, contact info, and consent to use the zine or created content.  
  • Failures:
    • Too much programming → mini zines, stitching, collaborative zines.  
  • Who are the zines from the programs distributed to?  Consider the permissions and acquiring consent from participants
    • Attendees?
      • Pickup later
      • Send to them
      • Take at the time of workshop
    • Kept in library?
    • Circulated more broadly.  
  • Passive programming → have a table, basket, area where one can put out zines and other materials to make zines and they can create their own, take supplies, contribute their zines
  • Zine Kits for checkout
    • Scissors,
    • Tape
    • How to make a zine
    • Glue sticks
    • Typewriter if available
    • Other supplies
  • Zine Cart
  • Assignments to make zines.  Sometimes through collaboration with faculty → do a workshop, assignment to make a zine, history of zines, students might reflect through the zine and / or prepare materials to begin/make their zine.  
  • Readings of zines (inspired by last night’s social event)
  • Invite a local distro in to give a guest workshop/talk/presentation
    • Donated copies of their zines to the library
  • Screening of $100 and a tee-shirt
  • Jennifer Eltringham, Instruction Librarian, UCCS Zine about lesson plans for incorporating zines into coursework


  • Special collections “Flash” exhibition.  Showcasing some zines.
  • Physical or digital exhibitions
  • Topical 
  • Browsing collection → two stations by an exit that are themed and this increases circulation of the browsing collection
    • Self care
    • Banned books
    • Indigenous Authors
  • Showcase books on zine history and zine making to promote the zine collection.  90s music playlist.  
  • Gallery display case → move around the case to different places in the library.  
  • Sculpture display using mylar plastic cases where zines were showcased and in the middle of the library → University of Minnesota Architecture library https://www.continuum.umn.edu/2017/09/zine-collection-inspiring-assignments-art/ 



Friday July 19

Breakout session 3, 2:30- 3:45pm

Session name: Archives, primary source documents with zines, zines as primary source

Facilitator: Deana

Note taker: Juli

Public lib collection, but may be moving more archival

Local history class/liaison with Hist Dept

Funding with Teaching with Primary Sources, Lib of Congress

How are people using zines as a primary sources?

  • History of the Book course- the professor is connected to the library, and is enthusiastic about Special Collections. Zines are a week in this course (along with the comics collection)
    • This brings in the history of zines, perspectives that zines bring to the table
    • Talks about ethics of having zines in the library
    • Students relate to/ identify with zines in ways they might not with other history of books
  • In the public library zines are viewed as ephemeral, and it is hard to connect the dots that zines are worthy of being kept and have enduring value
    • Had to bargain that in order to catalog the collection, they had to weed the collection. But sent it to the local university, to be archived
  • “Sneaking” zines into other instruction methods– make zines on the same level as other materials like newspapers, letters, etc
  • Pairing decolonization zines with letters from early missionary efforts (colonization). How do these items speak to each other, and how are the effects felt across space and time?


  • How to bring zines into the archives when the students can’t get to the archiving. Digitized zines! QZAP is a great resources 


  • Zines as a way to remix archives! (in the same vein as the subversive nature of zines)
    • AMAZING zine “Whatever Happened to Emma Crawford?” using the primary sources, telling the story, a way to pitch to professors
    • Could be applicable as a public history session (or a way to engage with the public and make them interested in history)
    • This zines uses primary sources, but zine-i-fies them (see pictures)
    • Using zines to allow buy-in in the archive, to empower folks to visit the archives, or feel ownership of the material
    • To get folks to relate to a zine, they need to feel connected
      • How to use perzines as a valuable story
        • Programming
  • Feelings around using zine makers who are still alive, being used in the classroom. Would someone be weirded out by this?
    • RADICAL EMPATHY– feminist ethics of care. The archivist has an affective responsibility toward their users, donors. Who should an archivist be responsible and sensitive to? (Zine makers)
    • How do we consider the creator? Taking items out of the collections
      • Shifting the idea about keeping everything. We can’t and we really shouldn’t try. If someone wants to be forgotten, that is their right. It’s tricky to navigate. Zine creators probably don’t have a claim to having the item removed, but archivists have a higher ethical obligation. 
  • How to acquire older zines, locally? 
    • Build a relationship with zine people and ask, buy or donate. 
    • How to talk about institutional trust with punks and DIY community
    • Be sure to reach outside your circle.